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For God's sake, read THIS ONE instead of the above 2 posts!!!

Posted By: Winch Wench
Date: 6/5/08 1:18p.m.

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In Response To: Carl, this is easier to read: (pic) (Winch Wench)

Try taking in your lazy jacks enough to carry the sail and boom higher than they normally set. That way, all you're lifting is sailcloth and your gaff.
I set up my lazyjacks to slightly hold the boom; then tighten the lazyjacks in that position.
Check for binding at the turning block for your throat halyard, the one near the masthead. If it's reeved the wrong direction it might be developing a bind as the angle of the line changes near full up.
Have followed the halyard all the way up... block is turned correctly. This used to happen with my Potter 15.
You were also in a whole bunch of wind. In thirty mph wind I would be motoring if possible. If not, I would consider a downwind run on a bare pole to a safe place. I remember having our Horizon Cat out in 26 once, and I think downwind I could make three knots, just on windage. Wind loading on the track slugs will make the sail harder to set.
As suggested by Dick Herman, I had the motor in low Forward gear to hold my position... with those winds though, I couldn't keep the boat facing the wind.
Also, how is the boom balanced on the lazy jacks? If your lazy jacks are taking the weight of the boom, do they lift the boom mostly from the back or the front end of the boom?
Lazyjacks -- front & back -- hold the boom parallel... am very careful about that.
On my boats, the lazy jacks lift from far enough forward that the boom has a tendency to see-saw, dropping the back end and sliding the gooseneck up the mast. If your lazy jacks tend to drop the gooseneck, that may be where the extra force is coming from.
This is a good thing to watch for. I don't think the gooseneck has been sliding up -- or jamming -- on the mast. I'll watch for this next time.

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Gene, & Any Interested Winching Parties: -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/4/08 4:58p.m.

Sorry, winch wench -- Tom Ray -- 6/4/08 5:29p.m.

Before you spend the $$ -- John, Suncat "Wanderer" -- 6/4/08 6:29p.m.

I agree with John -- Tom Ray -- 6/5/08 3:09a.m.

Is that what those rods are for -- to guide the halyard? -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/5/08 12:37p.m.

John, reefing lines are not tight and no mainsheet -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/5/08 12:34p.m.

Kewl, NO need to Jump into the Frying Pan, just -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 12:49p.m.

I'll talk to you before I leap! -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 2:21p.m.

Hey Gene, if it's not storming tonight with the lightning, -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 2:22p.m.

Sorrrrrrrrrry! I am working until 01:00 am. Will be available -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 2:40p.m.

P.S. I like U'r new Handle.LMAO!! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 2:43p.m.

This has been a neat discussion. and what this board is all about! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 2:46p.m.

I sure tied everyone up, didn't I??? Winch Wench: coined by Tom Ray -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 3:16p.m.

U'r BAAAAAAAAAD, Tom. but I like it whether Vicki uses one or NOT! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/6/08 7:59a.m.

-- Tom Ray -- 6/6/08 11:41a.m.

Cheaper Alternatives . . . -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/4/08 7:21p.m.

From Stephen Luta -- Stephen / SW Florida / Looking Forward -- 6/4/08 8:02p.m.

No college boys, Stephen! No baloney; want to do this myself. -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/5/08 12:47p.m.

As I've indicated! If U need mechanical support get it! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/4/08 10:44p.m.

Gene, last summer a nice strong male raised -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 12:58p.m.

I agree w/the guys.... -- Craig D,Suncat, Cattitude, Finger Lakes -- 6/5/08 5:55a.m.

vickie -- bob -- 6/5/08 8:17a.m.

Explain how a boomkicker would work, Craig. Thanks. -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:01p.m.

Not a boomkicker guy! -- Craig D,Suncat, Cattitude, Finger Lakes -- 6/5/08 4:03p.m.

You just talked me out of even researching it. Thanks. -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 9:15a.m.

Vicki, the last couple of feet don't add much load -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/5/08 6:55a.m.

Carl, I'll address each of your points: -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:11p.m.

Carl, this is easier to read: -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:13p.m.

For God's sake, read THIS ONE instead of the above 2 posts!!! -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:18p.m.

Well, shoot -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/5/08 3:07p.m.

No gaff gooseneck, Carl... it's up there on a block. -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 9:17a.m.

Square One Problems . . . -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/6/08 9:48a.m.

So much for standardization! George, I've -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 11:30a.m.

Picture -- John- Suncat "Wanderer" in Ontario Canada -- 6/6/08 11:47a.m.

John, my Sun Cat is a 2006? What's your boat -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 12:13p.m.

2005 -- John- Suncat "Wanderer" in Ontario Canada -- 6/9/08 5:58a.m.

That triple halyard setup -- Tom Ray -- 6/6/08 12:16p.m.

Hey, thanks, Tom. I didn't think the Triple Purchase -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 1:44p.m.

Picture of 2:1 -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 4:19a.m.

Gee, Tom, Purty Pitcher ! ! -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/7/08 10:35a.m.

Love the intellectualism, George! -- Winch Wench -- 6/7/08 11:51a.m.

Excellent! I appreciate the careful drawing. I'll -- Winch Wench -- 6/7/08 11:50a.m.

Please tell me the difference between this and 1:1 -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/7/08 1:50p.m.

The red part in the pic is 2:1 -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 2:33p.m.

Hmmm... -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/6/08 3:46p.m.

Carl, read Tom Ray's post just 2 above this one. -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 7:10p.m.

I saw that, but I'm not sure why that has to be -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/6/08 8:15p.m.

It's in "Cheaper Alternatives" by GH above -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 4:38a.m.

Gosh Vicki, U need to raise the upper throat halyard block -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/6/08 3:18p.m.

If U look at First Born's mast U will see the blocks are well above the top of -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/6/08 7:36p.m.

Engineering dilemma -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/6/08 10:22p.m.

George may be on to something! -- Craig D,Suncat, Cattitude, Finger Lakes -- 6/7/08 8:16a.m.

Craig, since they repaired my boat last autumn, -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:37p.m.

Further Thoughts. -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/7/08 10:19a.m.

George! If Winch Wench's drawing is Correct! then -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/7/08 11:27a.m.

Oh thank God you said what you said about friction, -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:42p.m.

George, thanks for your sketches... I can't look -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:41p.m.

Winch wench, pay attention to this -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 2:46p.m.

Gotcha. This will have to be carefully configured. -- Victoria's Little Secret -- 6/9/08 1:15p.m.

George, -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:35p.m.

Have you dropped he mast? -- Craig D, Suncat, "Cattitude", Finger Lakes -- 6/7/08 3:49p.m.

Craig, I intend to drop the mast one more time -- Victoria's Little Secret -- 6/9/08 1:21p.m.

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