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Square One Problems . . .

Posted By: George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29
Date: 6/6/08 9:48a.m.

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In Response To: No gaff gooseneck, Carl... it's up there on a block. (pic) (Winch Wench)

PC #29 came to me with two square one problems, neither of which may apply to your situation, but anything's possible. First, all my blocks for the halyards were for 1/4" lines, and the halyards were 3/8". This caused a lot of friction. Solution: larger blocks or smaller halyards. I chose larger blocks. Second, the luff of my OEM sail was 5 inches too long. Either the boom was too low and banging the gallows, or the throat would always have the "too loose" wrinkle. Solution: longer mast or shorter luff. I chose shorter luff. Five sails and three sailmakers later, problem solved. Yes, I measured very carefully, confirmed my spar lengths with Compac, and send all three the same measurements. The third sailmaker finally got it right, on the second try. They insisted on using the measurements in their computer for their first attempt, and, guess what, I got another sail that was 5 inches too long in the luff. For their second attempt, they acquiesced and used my measurements!

Messages In This Thread

Gene, & Any Interested Winching Parties: -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/4/08 4:58p.m.

Sorry, winch wench -- Tom Ray -- 6/4/08 5:29p.m.

Before you spend the $$ -- John, Suncat "Wanderer" -- 6/4/08 6:29p.m.

I agree with John -- Tom Ray -- 6/5/08 3:09a.m.

Is that what those rods are for -- to guide the halyard? -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/5/08 12:37p.m.

John, reefing lines are not tight and no mainsheet -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/5/08 12:34p.m.

Kewl, NO need to Jump into the Frying Pan, just -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 12:49p.m.

I'll talk to you before I leap! -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 2:21p.m.

Hey Gene, if it's not storming tonight with the lightning, -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 2:22p.m.

Sorrrrrrrrrry! I am working until 01:00 am. Will be available -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 2:40p.m.

P.S. I like U'r new Handle.LMAO!! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 2:43p.m.

This has been a neat discussion. and what this board is all about! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/5/08 2:46p.m.

I sure tied everyone up, didn't I??? Winch Wench: coined by Tom Ray -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 3:16p.m.

U'r BAAAAAAAAAD, Tom. but I like it whether Vicki uses one or NOT! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/6/08 7:59a.m.

-- Tom Ray -- 6/6/08 11:41a.m.

Cheaper Alternatives . . . -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/4/08 7:21p.m.

From Stephen Luta -- Stephen / SW Florida / Looking Forward -- 6/4/08 8:02p.m.

No college boys, Stephen! No baloney; want to do this myself. -- Vicki's Winch Dilemma -- 6/5/08 12:47p.m.

As I've indicated! If U need mechanical support get it! -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/4/08 10:44p.m.

Gene, last summer a nice strong male raised -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 12:58p.m.

I agree w/the guys.... -- Craig D,Suncat, Cattitude, Finger Lakes -- 6/5/08 5:55a.m.

vickie -- bob -- 6/5/08 8:17a.m.

Explain how a boomkicker would work, Craig. Thanks. -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:01p.m.

Not a boomkicker guy! -- Craig D,Suncat, Cattitude, Finger Lakes -- 6/5/08 4:03p.m.

You just talked me out of even researching it. Thanks. -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 9:15a.m.

Vicki, the last couple of feet don't add much load -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/5/08 6:55a.m.

Carl, I'll address each of your points: -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:11p.m.

Carl, this is easier to read: -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:13p.m.

For God's sake, read THIS ONE instead of the above 2 posts!!! -- Winch Wench -- 6/5/08 1:18p.m.

Well, shoot -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/5/08 3:07p.m.

No gaff gooseneck, Carl... it's up there on a block. -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 9:17a.m.

Square One Problems . . . -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/6/08 9:48a.m.

So much for standardization! George, I've -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 11:30a.m.

Picture -- John- Suncat "Wanderer" in Ontario Canada -- 6/6/08 11:47a.m.

John, my Sun Cat is a 2006? What's your boat -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 12:13p.m.

2005 -- John- Suncat "Wanderer" in Ontario Canada -- 6/9/08 5:58a.m.

That triple halyard setup -- Tom Ray -- 6/6/08 12:16p.m.

Hey, thanks, Tom. I didn't think the Triple Purchase -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 1:44p.m.

Picture of 2:1 -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 4:19a.m.

Gee, Tom, Purty Pitcher ! ! -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/7/08 10:35a.m.

Love the intellectualism, George! -- Winch Wench -- 6/7/08 11:51a.m.

Excellent! I appreciate the careful drawing. I'll -- Winch Wench -- 6/7/08 11:50a.m.

Please tell me the difference between this and 1:1 -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/7/08 1:50p.m.

The red part in the pic is 2:1 -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 2:33p.m.

Hmmm... -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/6/08 3:46p.m.

Carl, read Tom Ray's post just 2 above this one. -- Winch Wench -- 6/6/08 7:10p.m.

I saw that, but I'm not sure why that has to be -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/6/08 8:15p.m.

It's in "Cheaper Alternatives" by GH above -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 4:38a.m.

Gosh Vicki, U need to raise the upper throat halyard block -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/6/08 3:18p.m.

If U look at First Born's mast U will see the blocks are well above the top of -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/6/08 7:36p.m.

Engineering dilemma -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/6/08 10:22p.m.

George may be on to something! -- Craig D,Suncat, Cattitude, Finger Lakes -- 6/7/08 8:16a.m.

Craig, since they repaired my boat last autumn, -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:37p.m.

Further Thoughts. -- George Haycraft, Picnic Cat #29 -- 6/7/08 10:19a.m.

George! If Winch Wench's drawing is Correct! then -- geneWj,First Born & Teacher's Pet III. Bradenton,Fl. -- 6/7/08 11:27a.m.

Oh thank God you said what you said about friction, -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:42p.m.

George, thanks for your sketches... I can't look -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:41p.m.

Winch wench, pay attention to this -- Tom Ray -- 6/7/08 2:46p.m.

Gotcha. This will have to be carefully configured. -- Victoria's Little Secret -- 6/9/08 1:15p.m.

George, -- Winching Party -- 6/7/08 12:35p.m.

Have you dropped he mast? -- Craig D, Suncat, "Cattitude", Finger Lakes -- 6/7/08 3:49p.m.

Craig, I intend to drop the mast one more time -- Victoria's Little Secret -- 6/9/08 1:21p.m.

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