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Souix City

Posted By: Jerry
Date: 1/3/08 7:00p.m.

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In Response To: Thanks, Dano (pic) (Greg CM26 Seattle CLM005771173)

Greg, I spent 12 years as an FE on C-5s. After the Saigon crash, and then the Souix City crash, at least two hours every year would be spent in the sim covering loss of all tail control. We even tried the Alaskan Airlines scenario since the tail is designed the same, just a lot bigger.

The C-5 would show next to no response moving a 5K# object from the front to the back of the cargo box. That works out to be close to 50ft in front of the CG to 60ft behind it.

About the only technique that was found effective was throttle control. The elevator would "flap" in the airstream, and induce a fugoid oscillation that would get worse until the airplane went inverted, like the Alaskan Air flight. To counter it, we would add throttle as the nose started to drop, and chop the throttles just before the top.

With all of the practice we did, I still "died" serveral times in my carreer. Oh yeah, to my knowledge no one ever survived the Alaskan Air scenario.

The Souix City plane actual hit with one wing low, and that was what caused it to cartwheel. They still did an outstanding job of getting it on the ground.

Jerry

Messages In This Thread

CLIPPER MARINE OWNERS MANUAL -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 12/29/07 12:17a.m.
Re: new boat manual -- Tom Schwab in Tampa clm 26 -- 12/29/07 5:37a.m.
The CM manual revisited -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 12/29/07 1:42p.m.
Thanks, Dano -- Greg CM26 Seattle CLM005771173 -- 12/29/07 6:51a.m.
Congrats on the Job and Sioux City -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 12/29/07 2:10p.m.
The DC-10 -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 12/29/07 9:59p.m.
 Souix City  -- Jerry -- 1/3/08 7:00p.m.
Sioux City -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 1/3/08 9:41p.m.
Re:Souix City -- Jerry -- 1/4/08 11:55p.m.
Forced Landings and MOBs -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 1/5/08 12:25p.m.
Swim platform -- Dan Williams -- 1/7/08 11:42a.m.
Swim Platform -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 1/7/08 12:50p.m.
On my CM, I have something similar only... -- Leroy CM23TK Gulf 29 Pilothouse, Helena, MT -- 1/7/08 2:23p.m.
Platform -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 1/7/08 2:58p.m.
McGuiver doggie ramp... -- Leroy CM23TK Gulf 29 Pilothouse, Helena, MT -- 1/7/08 5:59p.m.
Marine West sells a doggie ladder -- Jake - Cm26 - Portland, OR -- 1/7/08 6:23p.m.
Ladder -- Dano Superior Pleasure CM30 Rainy Lake ON -- 1/7/08 8:45p.m.
Platform -- Norske CM32 -- 1/8/08 6:50a.m.
Doggy reboarding -- Dano -- 5/23/08 12:21p.m.
Or... -- Jake CM26 Portland, OR -- 5/23/08 9:41p.m.
Doggy reboarding -- Dano -- 5/23/08 12:26p.m.
manuals for clm 23 -- Dano -- 5/23/08 12:27p.m.
My Manual.... -- JoeGusto/CM21#161 -- 5/23/08 12:57p.m.

 

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