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1 inch slack in downhaul = unmanageable tiller pressure

Posted By: Chris & Lenore - Mac 26S - Teliki
Date: 6/16/08 7:40a.m.

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In Response To: Roundup problems w/ Idasailor rudder (Eric J Mac 26D)

This is a subject that I know about - due to the weedy area I have to sail through to reach open water from our marina.

The weeds strain the downhaul system to it's limit - hold down pins snap and 1/4 nylon double-braid snaps. Motoring a mile and a half with the rudder up is not an option (just try motoring without any rudder...).

Anyway, I often end up clear of the weeds but with the rudder back an inch or two.

With the proper mast rake, sail trim and sail condition the small amount of weather helm that is usually manageable becomes impossible to hold off when the rudder is 1 to 2 inches deflected back.

Fix the rudder firmly down and forces return to what they are supposed to be. I ended up using 3/8 polyester cored and a Ronstan racing clam cleat (no other clam would hold without some slippage).

Of course if you are over canvassed or in poor sail trim/sail condition then you will experience rounding up in a heavy wind - it's either that or you go completely over!

Thats the Mac Classic tradeoff - that steller low wind performance that lets you blow the doors off others means you HAVE TO reef earlier. You'll still do hull speed but the boat will be controllable.

Remember too that the object is to trim the boat so the tiller is centered. Like a sailplane (my past hobby) any control surface deflection causes drag. A rudder that is counteracting another force will cause huge amounts of drag. Bottom line is that you don't want your rudder applying more than a little force - if it is then the boat is out of trim.

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Messages In This Thread

Roundup problems w/ Idasailor rudder -- Eric J Mac 26D -- 6/15/08 5:01p.m.
Idasailor rudder stall -- Bob, '74 Venture 25, San Mateo FL -- 6/15/08 7:44p.m.
I'm a firm believer... -- Ramblin' Rod - Mac 26D - SeaQuell - Georgian Bay. -- 6/15/08 8:31p.m.
Roundup mitigation plan -- Eric J Mac 26D -- 6/16/08 9:44a.m.
Mast rake...rule of thumb -- Scott, Mac26D, Kennesaw, GA -- 6/16/08 10:09a.m.
"make sure your boat is level" -- Larry K. , Mac26D "Gustin Winds" L.Ontario -- 6/16/08 7:01p.m.
The only way to tune the rig is on the water. -- Ramblin' Rod - Mac 26D - SeaQuell - Georgian Bay. -- 6/16/08 8:55p.m.
must be on the water -- Bob s-v Watermark - Mac26S - Ottawa River - ON -- 6/17/08 5:57a.m.
Rule of thumb clarification... -- Scott, Mac26D, Kennesaw, GA -- 6/18/08 9:01a.m.
Be prepared to play - and it aint' easy -- Chris & Lenore - Mac 26S - Teliki -- 6/18/08 12:28p.m.
 1 inch slack in downhaul = unmanageable tiller pressure   -- Chris & Lenore - Mac 26S - Teliki -- 6/16/08 7:40a.m.
completely agree, I think I had the weed problem yesterday in very light air, -- Balazs (Mac26C GP, Alberta) -- 6/16/08 8:57a.m.
Our downhaul solution -- Chris & Lenore - Mac 26S - Teliki -- 6/16/08 11:22a.m.
down haul -- Ted Tobey M26c Marblehead ,Ma. -- 6/16/08 11:32a.m.
The picture in your post -- Scott, Mac26D, Kennesaw, GA -- 6/16/08 9:53a.m.
fwiw, mine works fine -- MrBill_26D_FLL -- 6/16/08 10:04a.m.
mine works but it could be better... -- Scott, Mac26D, Kennesaw, GA -- 6/16/08 10:53a.m.
Why it broke - and a few other comments -- Chris & Lenore - Mac 26S - Teliki -- 6/16/08 11:12a.m.
My PO bought the rudder so warranty doesn't apply.... -- Scott, Mac26D, Kennesaw, GA -- 6/18/08 9:03a.m.
Same here -- Ben -- 6/18/08 5:30p.m.
Rudder Discussion -- John S -- 6/23/08 3:06p.m.
light air sailboat -- Larry K. , Mac26D "Gustin Winds" L.Ontario -- 6/24/08 2:02p.m.
Light Air Sailbot -- John S -- 6/30/08 2:59p.m.
My take on the rudder issue -- MarkW -- 6/24/08 8:30a.m.

 

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