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Ok, I see that, but consider the context

Posted By: Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas
Date: 6/26/08 3:03p.m.

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In Response To: It might be amazing were it not for the fact... (Mike)

With a little editorial freedom, I think there's some clarification possible. The Second Amendment is not written in the lol-speak of our day.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state [of being], [which is, after all] the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
'Regulated' doesn't necessarily mean limited by government. 'Regulator' clocks were so named to suggest they ran precisely. When a printer gets the colors properly aligned in a four color print, he says the colors are properly 'registered'. He doesn't mean the colors have been reported to the government for oversight.
The militia is just plain folks, not the military. The founders wanted them armed. Above all they wanted a good, regular militia. Well regulated, in fact, and the right the militia represents shall not be infringed.
To me it's an issue that for whatever reason seems to always put the test to political philosophy. Like poor old Justice Stevens, I found his dissent to the decision, and in his dissenting opinion he actually says the right to petition the government, as guaranteed in the First Amendment, is primarily a collective right.
That's crazy, and counter to our way of life and government.
I pray for a nonviolent society but unlike the line in Big Rock Candy Mountain, the bulldogs don't all have rubber teeth.
Our government puts limits on my right to live, by the way. There are also lawful and constitutional limits on free speech as well as on my right to keep and bear arms. I do not argue otherwise, but I do ask lawmakers that the example given in the Second Amendment, the need for an armed militia, not be ignored.
It's a very ugly thing when the government ignores civil rights. If we want to ban guns, the first thing to do is make that legal by repealing the Second Amendment.
I would oppose that, even though I may never fire a gun again. Or I might, as a recreational pursuit it just doesn't mean that much one way or the other.

Messages In This Thread

DC residents' handgun ban declared unconstitutional... -- observer -- 6/26/08 8:38a.m.

Next up: Chicago -- Tom Ray -- 6/26/08 9:03a.m.

That was quick! -- Tom Ray -- 6/29/08 5:29a.m.

So... Marshall Dillon was violating the constitution?? -- Francois -- 6/26/08 9:23a.m.

Amazing four voted in dissent -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 9:47a.m.

I find it amazing too. -- Alan Russell -- 6/26/08 10:02a.m.

You're reading it with a different mind set than the framers. -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/26/08 10:46a.m.

Could be, but I don't think so -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 12:45p.m.

The intent of the 2nd Amendment was to -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/26/08 5:35p.m.

Could be important if Obama is elected. Boston Tea Party all over again. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 6/26/08 9:33p.m.

you never spent any time in the military, did you? -- Jay -- 6/27/08 3:39a.m.

So then going back to the original intent of the 2nd Amendment -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 3:53a.m.

Actually I think the work "press" is -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 4:50a.m.

Nice try -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 5:30a.m.

Many people feel the wine press frees -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 5:48a.m.

For protection against crime, Wilton! Most people don't own guns for protection -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/27/08 8:42a.m.

That's fine but that's not the intent of the 2nd Amendment -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 8:44a.m.

Because you have a false sense of security and are naive -- Jay -- 6/28/08 3:15a.m.

You assume too much. -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/28/08 3:56a.m.

What is hypocritical about strict construction and the 2nd amendment? -- Jay -- 6/28/08 3:07a.m.

MacAurthur dispatched the citizen bonus army, or did you forget -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/28/08 4:14a.m.

how soon we forget... -- dave -- 6/27/08 4:39a.m.

I'm sure you've seen the news clips -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 4:53a.m.

too much faith in -- dave -- 6/27/08 5:16a.m.

By what twisted stretch of the imagination -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 5:53a.m.

please..that disaster was an obvious call for strong federal response -- dave -- 6/27/08 6:23a.m.

I was looking at it from the standpoint -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 7:54a.m.

There is enough blame to go around. -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 11:27a.m.

And local/state goverments are supposed to be prepared for 3 days of self suport -- Alan Russell -- 6/28/08 11:41a.m.

Alan, you can usually be rational. These statements show a lot of misinformation -- norm BlackWatch cat/Hartley 16 -- 6/29/08 3:44p.m.

I've been invovled in the meetings. -- Alan Russell -- 6/30/08 10:41a.m.

Everyone has plans. But "the city fell apart before"? I don't understand that -- norm BlackWatch cat/Hartley 16 -- 7/1/08 11:38a.m.

It was well established before hand that the levees would fail. -- Alan Russell -- 7/1/08 12:11p.m.

That was the Militia -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 11:13a.m.

Well, I didn't say arms couldn't be controlled -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/27/08 7:18a.m.

NO Carl you can't do that. Fighting against the standing army will get you -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 7:28a.m.

No doubt. It's not something I'm exactly itching to do, anyway. -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/27/08 8:02a.m.

Four Dillons maybe????? -- Francois -- 6/26/08 11:56a.m.

It can be changed. But it is difficult, and for good reason. -- Alan Russell -- 6/26/08 12:29p.m.

This may come as a suprise to you Francois -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/26/08 1:36p.m.

Now stop it right there fella.... -- Francois -- 6/26/08 1:50p.m.

It might be amazing were it not for the fact... -- Mike -- 6/26/08 1:38p.m.

Exactly. Like most things, the answer isn't as simplistic as people would like. -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 6/26/08 2:26p.m.

Ok, I see that, but consider the context -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 3:03p.m.

If DC said, ok we will do a spot check each year of 1,000 registered handguns -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/26/08 3:34p.m.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290 -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/26/08 6:15p.m.

I accepted the statement about trigger locks but grew confused this evening -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/28/08 7:55p.m.

US Supreme Court Ruling on District of Columbia v Heller, 07-290 -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 8:59p.m.

Thanks Clyde... -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 10:42a.m.

Were you listening to this conversation in person -- Jeff, Reinell2200 -- 6/29/08 4:35a.m.

I've no way of knowing if NRA comments were editied out -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 8:46a.m.

I am about as pro 2nd as you can get, however -- Jeff, Reinell2200 -- 6/29/08 6:14p.m.

how about mandatory gun safety education in public schools? -- observer -- 6/29/08 9:08p.m.

Never happen, too much common sense! -- Anonymous Sailor -- 6/29/08 9:15p.m.

It was offered where I went to school -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/30/08 4:07a.m.

Sweet! Wish more states had programs like that! -- Anonymous Sailor -- 6/30/08 2:22p.m.

I think I would put it this way.... -- observer -- 6/26/08 6:18p.m.

don't you think that kind of has changed over time though with the development -- dave -- 6/27/08 5:05a.m.

I applaud a decision -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/26/08 11:37a.m.

Drug dealers around the country celebrate with half price sales! -- Bob K -- 6/27/08 5:24a.m.

I'm sure if the decision went the other way they ... -- BrandonC, Tulsa - Cal21 -- 6/27/08 9:12a.m.

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