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What is hypocritical about strict construction and the 2nd amendment?

Posted By: Jay
Date: 6/28/08 3:07a.m.

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In Response To: So then going back to the original intent of the 2nd Amendment (Wilton, NJ No Boat)

What is hypocritical about strict construction and the 2nd amendment?
The 2nd amendment is pretty cut and dried. Many of the original framers of the Constitution demanded that it be included so as the citizenry could over-throw the government if it became too tyrannical -- BY FORMING MILITIAS!
The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with deer hunting or home protection (although those are worthy reasons in and of themselves). It has everything to do with freedom. Can an armed populace take on the 3rd Army? No! But, I revert to my earlier statements that no US soldier would ever fire on American citizens, and if it did happen, you would have many soldiers break rank and take him out.
So, I don't think my deer-rifle will be effective against the US military, but it will be effective enough to have the military either turn against it's leadership or at least neutralize itself.
Now, we're not talking about a group of 15-20 angry nut-jobs. It would have to be a massive, grass-roots movement, possibly with state governments involved and threats of secession. The North almost lost the War Between the States for just this reason.
--JAY

Messages In This Thread

DC residents' handgun ban declared unconstitutional... -- observer -- 6/26/08 8:38a.m.

Next up: Chicago -- Tom Ray -- 6/26/08 9:03a.m.

That was quick! -- Tom Ray -- 6/29/08 5:29a.m.

So... Marshall Dillon was violating the constitution?? -- Francois -- 6/26/08 9:23a.m.

Amazing four voted in dissent -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 9:47a.m.

I find it amazing too. -- Alan Russell -- 6/26/08 10:02a.m.

You're reading it with a different mind set than the framers. -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/26/08 10:46a.m.

Could be, but I don't think so -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 12:45p.m.

The intent of the 2nd Amendment was to -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/26/08 5:35p.m.

Could be important if Obama is elected. Boston Tea Party all over again. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 6/26/08 9:33p.m.

you never spent any time in the military, did you? -- Jay -- 6/27/08 3:39a.m.

So then going back to the original intent of the 2nd Amendment -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 3:53a.m.

Actually I think the work "press" is -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 4:50a.m.

Nice try -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 5:30a.m.

Many people feel the wine press frees -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 5:48a.m.

For protection against crime, Wilton! Most people don't own guns for protection -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/27/08 8:42a.m.

That's fine but that's not the intent of the 2nd Amendment -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 8:44a.m.

Because you have a false sense of security and are naive -- Jay -- 6/28/08 3:15a.m.

You assume too much. -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/28/08 3:56a.m.

What is hypocritical about strict construction and the 2nd amendment? -- Jay -- 6/28/08 3:07a.m.

MacAurthur dispatched the citizen bonus army, or did you forget -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/28/08 4:14a.m.

how soon we forget... -- dave -- 6/27/08 4:39a.m.

I'm sure you've seen the news clips -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 4:53a.m.

too much faith in -- dave -- 6/27/08 5:16a.m.

By what twisted stretch of the imagination -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 5:53a.m.

please..that disaster was an obvious call for strong federal response -- dave -- 6/27/08 6:23a.m.

I was looking at it from the standpoint -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 7:54a.m.

There is enough blame to go around. -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 11:27a.m.

And local/state goverments are supposed to be prepared for 3 days of self suport -- Alan Russell -- 6/28/08 11:41a.m.

Alan, you can usually be rational. These statements show a lot of misinformation -- norm BlackWatch cat/Hartley 16 -- 6/29/08 3:44p.m.

I've been invovled in the meetings. -- Alan Russell -- 6/30/08 10:41a.m.

Everyone has plans. But "the city fell apart before"? I don't understand that -- norm BlackWatch cat/Hartley 16 -- 7/1/08 11:38a.m.

It was well established before hand that the levees would fail. -- Alan Russell -- 7/1/08 12:11p.m.

That was the Militia -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 11:13a.m.

Well, I didn't say arms couldn't be controlled -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/27/08 7:18a.m.

NO Carl you can't do that. Fighting against the standing army will get you -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 7:28a.m.

No doubt. It's not something I'm exactly itching to do, anyway. -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/27/08 8:02a.m.

Four Dillons maybe????? -- Francois -- 6/26/08 11:56a.m.

It can be changed. But it is difficult, and for good reason. -- Alan Russell -- 6/26/08 12:29p.m.

This may come as a suprise to you Francois -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/26/08 1:36p.m.

Now stop it right there fella.... -- Francois -- 6/26/08 1:50p.m.

It might be amazing were it not for the fact... -- Mike -- 6/26/08 1:38p.m.

Exactly. Like most things, the answer isn't as simplistic as people would like. -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 6/26/08 2:26p.m.

Ok, I see that, but consider the context -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 3:03p.m.

If DC said, ok we will do a spot check each year of 1,000 registered handguns -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/26/08 3:34p.m.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290 -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/26/08 6:15p.m.

I accepted the statement about trigger locks but grew confused this evening -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/28/08 7:55p.m.

US Supreme Court Ruling on District of Columbia v Heller, 07-290 -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 8:59p.m.

Thanks Clyde... -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 10:42a.m.

Were you listening to this conversation in person -- Jeff, Reinell2200 -- 6/29/08 4:35a.m.

I've no way of knowing if NRA comments were editied out -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 8:46a.m.

I am about as pro 2nd as you can get, however -- Jeff, Reinell2200 -- 6/29/08 6:14p.m.

how about mandatory gun safety education in public schools? -- observer -- 6/29/08 9:08p.m.

Never happen, too much common sense! -- Anonymous Sailor -- 6/29/08 9:15p.m.

It was offered where I went to school -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/30/08 4:07a.m.

Sweet! Wish more states had programs like that! -- Anonymous Sailor -- 6/30/08 2:22p.m.

I think I would put it this way.... -- observer -- 6/26/08 6:18p.m.

don't you think that kind of has changed over time though with the development -- dave -- 6/27/08 5:05a.m.

I applaud a decision -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/26/08 11:37a.m.

Drug dealers around the country celebrate with half price sales! -- Bob K -- 6/27/08 5:24a.m.

I'm sure if the decision went the other way they ... -- BrandonC, Tulsa - Cal21 -- 6/27/08 9:12a.m.

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