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That was the Militia

Posted By: Clyde - Houston, TX
Date: 6/28/08 11:13a.m.

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In Response To: how soon we forget... (pic) (dave)

The state militias, now called the National Guard, are citizen soldiers under the command of the state governor. In the United States federal troops are not allowed to be armed if they are deployed during a national emergency within the United States unless it's to stop an insurrection. Only the National Guard, citizen soldiers, can be armed when called up by the state governor to keep the peace. Federal troops patrolling the streets of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina had their weapons, but it was unloaded, accompanying the federal troops were National Guard soldiers who were armed.

The request for federal troops must be formally requested by the state governor directly to the President before federal troops can be deployed in the United States. The exceptions of deploying federal troops within the United States without a governor's request is during an insurrection or upholding federal law. During the Civil Rights movement when the US Supreme Court ruled against school segregation, federal troops were used to enforce the law. In 1957 101st Airborne was called up by the President to protect the "Little Rock Nine", the President also federalized all of the National Guard units in the state of Arkansas. President Eisenhower's decision to send federal troops to enforce federal law and protect the nine students was a pivotal moment during the civil rights movement. Since he federalized the Arkansas National Guards, they could not be armed when providing protection to the "Little Rock Nine", the same as the 101st Airborne. President Eisenhower used the 101st Airborne first, because he wasn't positive that the Arkansas National Guard would obey the order to be called up. When the Arkansas National Guard units reported for duty, he withdrew the 101st Airborne and just used the federalized Arkansas National Guard units.

President Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard to enforce the enrollment of two black students to the University of Alabama. By 1962 President Kennedy knew from former President Eisenhower's experience with the Arkansas National Guard, that the Alabama National Guard would obey federal orders.

"The Governor, flanked by state troopers, had staged a carefully planned show of defying a Federal Court desegregation order. Mr. Wallace refused four requests this morning from a Justice Department official that he allow Miss Vivian Malone and James A. Hood, both 20 years old, to enter Foster Auditorium and register. This was in keeping with a campaign pledge that he would "stand in the schoolhouse door'' to prevent a resumption of desegregation in Alabama's educational system."

"Units of the 31st (Dixie) Division, federalized on orders from President Kennedy, arrived on the campus four and a half hours later under the command of Brig. Gen. Henry V. Graham. A Birmingham real estate executive in civilian life, General Graham is the former State Adjutant General who enforced modified martial law in Montgomery, the state capital, following the Freedom Rider riots in 1961. In a voice that was scarcely audible, General Graham said that it was his "sad duty'' to order the Governor to step aside. Mr. Wallace then read the second of two statements challenging the constitutionality of court-ordered desegregation and left the auditorium with his aides for Montgomery."

The last time a large number of federal soldiers fired against Americans, it was called the Civil War. After the Civil War, federal troops can only be deployed to help the civilian population in an emergency and be unarmed unless it's an insurrection. In 1967 President Johnson federalized the Michigan National Guard and sent in the 82nd Airborne to Detroit to put down the "12th Street Riot". The governor of Michigan, George Rommey, was totally incompetent and couldn't control the rioting. The rioting escalated to the point where President Johnson declared a "State of Insurrection" and federalized the Michigan National Guard and sent in armed federal troops to stop the rioting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Street_riot

Messages In This Thread

DC residents' handgun ban declared unconstitutional... -- observer -- 6/26/08 8:38a.m.
Next up: Chicago -- Tom Ray -- 6/26/08 9:03a.m.
That was quick! -- Tom Ray -- 6/29/08 5:29a.m.
So... Marshall Dillon was violating the constitution?? -- Francois -- 6/26/08 9:23a.m.
Amazing four voted in dissent -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 9:47a.m.
I find it amazing too. -- Alan Russell -- 6/26/08 10:02a.m.
You're reading it with a different mind set than the framers. -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/26/08 10:46a.m.
Could be, but I don't think so -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 12:45p.m.
The intent of the 2nd Amendment was to -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/26/08 5:35p.m.
Could be important if Obama is elected. Boston Tea Party all over again. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 6/26/08 9:33p.m.
you never spent any time in the military, did you? -- Jay -- 6/27/08 3:39a.m.
So then going back to the original intent of the 2nd Amendment -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 3:53a.m.
Actually I think the work "press" is -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 4:50a.m.
Nice try -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 5:30a.m.
Many people feel the wine press frees -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 5:48a.m.
For protection against crime, Wilton! Most people don't own guns for protection -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/27/08 8:42a.m.
That's fine but that's not the intent of the 2nd Amendment -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 8:44a.m.
Because you have a false sense of security and are naive -- Jay -- 6/28/08 3:15a.m.
You assume too much. -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/28/08 3:56a.m.
What is hypocritical about strict construction and the 2nd amendment? -- Jay -- 6/28/08 3:07a.m.
MacAurthur dispatched the citizen bonus army, or did you forget -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/28/08 4:14a.m.
how soon we forget... -- dave -- 6/27/08 4:39a.m.
I'm sure you've seen the news clips -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 4:53a.m.
too much faith in -- dave -- 6/27/08 5:16a.m.
By what twisted stretch of the imagination -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 5:53a.m.
please..that disaster was an obvious call for strong federal response -- dave -- 6/27/08 6:23a.m.
I was looking at it from the standpoint -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/27/08 7:54a.m.
There is enough blame to go around. -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 11:27a.m.
And local/state goverments are supposed to be prepared for 3 days of self suport -- Alan Russell -- 6/28/08 11:41a.m.
Alan, you can usually be rational. These statements show a lot of misinformation -- norm BlackWatch cat/Hartley 16 -- 6/29/08 3:44p.m.
I've been invovled in the meetings. -- Alan Russell -- 6/30/08 10:41a.m.
Everyone has plans. But "the city fell apart before"? I don't understand that -- norm BlackWatch cat/Hartley 16 -- 7/1/08 11:38a.m.
It was well established before hand that the levees would fail. -- Alan Russell -- 7/1/08 12:11p.m.
 That was the Militia  -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 11:13a.m.
Well, I didn't say arms couldn't be controlled -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/27/08 7:18a.m.
NO Carl you can't do that. Fighting against the standing army will get you -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 6/27/08 7:28a.m.
No doubt. It's not something I'm exactly itching to do, anyway. -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/27/08 8:02a.m.
Four Dillons maybe????? -- Francois -- 6/26/08 11:56a.m.
It can be changed. But it is difficult, and for good reason. -- Alan Russell -- 6/26/08 12:29p.m.
This may come as a suprise to you Francois -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/26/08 1:36p.m.
Now stop it right there fella.... -- Francois -- 6/26/08 1:50p.m.
It might be amazing were it not for the fact... -- Mike -- 6/26/08 1:38p.m.
Exactly. Like most things, the answer isn't as simplistic as people would like. -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 6/26/08 2:26p.m.
Ok, I see that, but consider the context -- Carl, Horizon Cat/Picnic Cat, Central Texas -- 6/26/08 3:03p.m.
If DC said, ok we will do a spot check each year of 1,000 registered handguns -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/26/08 3:34p.m.
District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290 -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/26/08 6:15p.m.
I accepted the statement about trigger locks but grew confused this evening -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/28/08 7:55p.m.
US Supreme Court Ruling on District of Columbia v Heller, 07-290 -- Clyde - Houston, TX -- 6/28/08 8:59p.m.
Thanks Clyde... -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 10:42a.m.
Were you listening to this conversation in person -- Jeff, Reinell2200 -- 6/29/08 4:35a.m.
I've no way of knowing if NRA comments were editied out -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 8:46a.m.
I am about as pro 2nd as you can get, however -- Jeff, Reinell2200 -- 6/29/08 6:14p.m.
how about mandatory gun safety education in public schools? -- observer -- 6/29/08 9:08p.m.
Never happen, too much common sense! -- Anonymous Sailor -- 6/29/08 9:15p.m.
It was offered where I went to school -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 6/30/08 4:07a.m.
Sweet! Wish more states had programs like that! -- Anonymous Sailor -- 6/30/08 2:22p.m.
I think I would put it this way.... -- observer -- 6/26/08 6:18p.m.
don't you think that kind of has changed over time though with the development -- dave -- 6/27/08 5:05a.m.
I applaud a decision -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/26/08 11:37a.m.
Drug dealers around the country celebrate with half price sales! -- Bob K -- 6/27/08 5:24a.m.
I'm sure if the decision went the other way they ... -- BrandonC, Tulsa - Cal21 -- 6/27/08 9:12a.m.

 

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