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Home Forums Search Boat Show TSBB Roster Chandlery Events Classifieds Resources More Fun About TSBB	Instructions/FAQ | Rules & Etiquette | Clear Cookies View Thread | Post Response | Return to Index | Read Prev Msg | Read Next Msg | Perhaps for the same reason that conservative was a word very few claimed back Posted By: Arlyn Stewart Date: 6/29/08 7:29p.m. Report: outside forum guidelines In Response To: If both are "good" Arlyn...then why is the "L" word never used by democrats to (pic) (Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior) In the sixties. There are ebb and flows of movement that project acceptance. Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley fought hard to argue that conservative thought was needed to correct the course that America was on. The riots, assassinations and Viet Nam war had left a serious identity crisis on America and conservative thought was believed by them as well as Reagan to be something the nation needed a serious dose of and I believe they were right. The threat of Communism, corrupt labor unions, and out of control welfare dependency loomed. Civil rights and womens liberation were pushed hard sometimes on a nation not ready for the drastic changes that they brought and in the end, it all was more than some could absorb and conservatism became a refuge. There were also resentments, especially in the South. The South had really never gotten over the Civil War and resentment was a part of its culture. It was no shake for operatives to redirect that resentment to liberals who were tied to labor unions that provided an easy job for a Yankee where the Southerner had to labor hard for less pay. It was easy for Southerners who were far more evangelical to fall into judgment about values issues and to resent forced busing and affirmative action programs. It takes no effort to understand why liberal became a dirty word... it represented change that wasn't appreciated. That said, liberal represents change and sometimes it is drastically needed. We very much need a comprehensive energy policy that will provide a way into the 21st century. We very much need to examine our possible destruction of our environment and save our planet if man is destroying nature's balances. We very well need economic rules to prevent economic destructive greed from siphoning basic pursuit of family life from the citizenry to prevent anarchy. To reach these goals will require some maturity that is lacking when we name call each other. There is no question that conservatives and liberals come at issues from differing perspectives but I've seldom seen the time when one is all right and the other all wrong. As you know from my past writings, I've claimed that liberals more often get themselves into problems simply because problems come with new turf. That does not mean however that we should castigate liberal thought because it has a potential to stumble in a bad direction. In fact, it is a much needed commodity. You know that I've also claimed that the Neo Cons are not conservatives but rather far right liberals and that the sin of the republicans that has ruined the brand temporarily is that they gave them a free pass rather than do what conservatives normally do well... question liberal actions. Peace Calling each other names, demonstrates an immaturity incapable of the task ahead.

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Differentiation -- Jay -- 6/29/08 3:04a.m.

Liberal - Conservative -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 5:22p.m.

If both are "good" Arlyn...then why is the "L" word never used by democrats to -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/29/08 6:27p.m.

 Perhaps for the same reason that conservative was a word very few claimed back  -- Arlyn Stewart -- 6/29/08 7:29p.m.

Plenty of proud, outspoken conservatives in the 60's Arlyn -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/29/08 8:17p.m.

Only in this country -- Patrick C27 Whittier Ak -- 6/29/08 9:17p.m.

hilarious..what planet are you from? -- dave -- 7/1/08 5:50a.m.

Perhaps because people of your ilk have chosen to give it the meaning YOU want. -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 6/30/08 9:40a.m.

Many women refuse to call themselves feminists because of how the radical -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/30/08 10:18a.m.

So the fact that the fringe of conservatism - -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 6/30/08 12:26p.m.

No one has stopped liberals from having talk shows to advance their cause, Noemi -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/30/08 5:04p.m.

Actually -- Alan Russell -- 6/30/08 5:41p.m.

So you support marrying your brother or sister or maybe your mother or french -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 6/30/08 7:03p.m.

you have no right defining marriage or anything else for OTHER people. -- dave -- 7/1/08 5:51a.m.

Exactly the same arguements used to defend laws against interracial marriage -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 7/1/08 6:15a.m.

Yep. The right decried Loving: feminism, communism & judicial activism, oh my! -- Russell -- 7/1/08 7:22a.m.

An amazement to me is for all the clamor about judicial activism -- Arlyn Stewart -- 7/1/08 4:27p.m.

You didn't answer the question...do you think it should be legal.... -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 6:58p.m.

Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no answer only please. -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 7/1/08 8:02p.m.

Yet, you still refuse to answer it! -- JAY(spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/8/08 5:01p.m.

Since you use that phrase so much -- Phil -- 7/9/08 10:22a.m.

Don't have a brother or sister, and don't care what others do. I'm conservative -- Alan Russell -- 7/1/08 7:10a.m.

Even far left Barack Obama opposes gay marriage! And many women in brothels are -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/1/08 5:17p.m.

Yes, people held as slaves need help, regardless of the reason. -- Alan Russell -- 7/1/08 6:21p.m.

Many, if not most prostitutes are in the business because of past abuse, drug -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/1/08 6:39p.m.

So use your head, if you can.. -- Alan Russell -- 7/2/08 5:15a.m.

You're right, Alan, let's encourage the profession. Maybe your mother, sister, -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/2/08 7:32a.m.

Robb, I've got to say this. -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/2/08 7:48a.m.

To authoritarian mind, like Robb's, disapproval quickly turns to a legal ban. -- Russell -- 7/2/08 8:19a.m.

Go to Hell, Russell...you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Your -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/2/08 9:21a.m.

Haha, you told an aethiest to go to hell! -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 7/2/08 9:15p.m.

I'd tell you the same, but you live in NJ, so are already there...HA HA HA! -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/2/08 9:28p.m.

Some of the best beaches, the Appalachians, a couple hundred miles of bay -- Wilton, NJ No Boat -- 7/2/08 9:33p.m.

What are you talking about? Alan claims being a hooker is just fine, so why -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/2/08 9:15a.m.

Where does Alan claim that? -- Russell -- 7/2/08 9:52a.m.

Robb, I'm talking about what you said. -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/2/08 10:21a.m.

So a few harsh words is the height of incivility, but ignoring the victimization -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/2/08 8:39p.m.

Yeah, I'm making sense, and no, I'm not going away. -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/3/08 4:57a.m.

My, my, but you're a fussy little fella. Have you always gotten so upset about -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/3/08 6:43a.m.

Well, Robb, you are consistent. -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/3/08 7:02a.m.

He does seem to be incapable AND unwilling to be civil. -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/3/08 6:59a.m.

Why don't you two comment on the issue being debated, instead of complaining -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/3/08 7:24a.m.

I don't speak for Noemi, but I do have an opinion on that. -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/3/08 7:31a.m.

So you go on and on and are VERY concerned about written words, but don't really -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/3/08 7:56a.m.

If you could carry on a civil debate, I might bother -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/3/08 10:01a.m.

Because it feels soo good when you stop ! -- Alan Russell -- 7/3/08 11:54a.m.

-- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/3/08 12:45p.m.

No. -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/3/08 10:25a.m.

Ok, so you used all the names we learn as college freshmen, but you have yet -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/3/08 4:46p.m.

You got me, Robb. -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/3/08 4:55p.m.

I've yet to read ANYTHING you've posted on this site, except criticizing my -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/3/08 5:02p.m.

Reading is Fundamental. -- Alan Russell -- 7/2/08 10:43a.m.

You obviously know nothing about the profession! The vast majority of -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/2/08 8:33p.m.

Oh how I bow to statatisics you make up on the spot. -- Alan Russell -- 7/3/08 11:54a.m.

I worked in the justice system for many years. I know all about the reasons -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/3/08 4:55p.m.

Which Nevada county did you work in oh all seeing Robb? -- Alan Russell -- 7/4/08 12:29p.m.

Thanks Alan. I realize I must seem "all seeing" compared to your limited -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/4/08 12:58p.m.

Living in Nevada and knowing several prostitutes. -- Alan Russell -- 7/5/08 3:54p.m.

So it IS ok if the women of your family went into prostitution? I wouldn't care -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/5/08 6:21p.m.

Both were earning money to support themsellfs. One had a child. -- Alan Russell -- 7/6/08 1:49p.m.

I'd be ashamed if my child was a hooker, porn star or stripper and disappointed -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/6/08 2:40p.m.

There are two differences between Limbaugh and a prostitute... -- Russell -- 7/6/08 8:30p.m.

Don't Suppose You Want an Opinion? -- Dan McGuire -- 7/7/08 3:20a.m.

I'm curious: which of my views do you view as extreme? -- Russell -- 7/7/08 5:54a.m.

I'm sure you truly hate Rush, a high school grad who easily out thinks you with -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/7/08 3:38p.m.

Such high praise for an impotent drug abuser. -- Alan Russell -- 7/7/08 3:39p.m.

Interesting Statement -- Dan McGuire -- 7/8/08 3:50a.m.

Guess it really depends on where you are sitting politically -- Shawn -- 7/7/08 4:09p.m.

Rush is popular because he makes sense. 20 million daily listeners, on 600 -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/7/08 4:25p.m.

That is like saying that a billion Chinese are correct -- Shawn -- 7/7/08 5:31p.m.

Well I guess we should make anything you would be ashamed of illegal. -- Alan Russell -- 7/7/08 6:11a.m.

And perhaps my son. -- Alan Russell -- 7/2/08 10:33a.m.

The left is just not as good as the right at twisting facts and playing to the -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 8:54a.m.

LOL...the left's base of power is the lowest common demoninator. -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/1/08 9:08a.m.

You've obviously never heard Randy Rhodes or Al Franken. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 4:54p.m.

Hey, even liberals think those two are boring! -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:00p.m.

I could never stand listening to them long enough to get bored. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 7:45p.m.

I don't like the genre at all, no matter which side it comes from -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/2/08 2:50p.m.

Me, neither. -- Russell -- 7/2/08 3:12p.m.

Feminism has an aire of superiority to it... -- Jay -- 6/30/08 7:19p.m.

I'm trying to tell you women should have the same opportunities as men -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 8:55a.m.

And they do. Maybe except one. Do you want to pee in a urinal? -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 4:35p.m.

Actually, women can. Don't ask me how I know. -- Anonymous Sailor -- 7/1/08 9:37p.m.

-- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/2/08 9:18a.m.

And who are these people who are denying them their opportunities?? -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 6:23p.m.

Why would anyone want a robot wife? -- Jay -- 6/30/08 7:24p.m.

She's got many thoughts on raising kids also -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 6/30/08 7:38p.m.

exactly! -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 6/30/08 7:48p.m.

Funny. I've always thought it just as amusing that men should try to control -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 8:59a.m.

I'm not trying to control anyone's reproductive choices -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 1:05p.m.

You sound like someone who is still feeling guit about their abortion -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 6:32p.m.

I'm pro-life Jay, but that kind of arrogant condescension towards someone you -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/1/08 6:51p.m.

I don't think she would consider it "bad" or "shameful" if she had an abortion -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:03p.m.

Robb is right, you were out of line -- Arlyn Stewart -- 7/1/08 7:48p.m.

Thank you, Robb. Jay is probably going to end up on my do not read list -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/2/08 9:21a.m.

Wow now I remember why I virtually never post or read here. -- Rick Kane- Ensenada 20 'Ceol na Mara' -- Mpls -- 7/1/08 10:03p.m.

I still hold shreds of optimism -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/2/08 9:26a.m.

Where did I ever say that that was a goal? You have an active imagination. -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 8:58a.m.

YES!! on the FRINGE -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 6:44p.m.

Not fringe at all. Southern Baptists teach that. -- Russell -- 7/1/08 8:00p.m.

Who exactly is working against women's education?? -- Jay -- 6/30/08 7:31p.m.

I meant full education on reproductive issues. "Abstinence only" -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 9:01a.m.

What you really mean is some government role in this education -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 1:06p.m.

Well, now who is "twisting words"?? -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:05p.m.

Feminists gave themselves the bad name. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 6/30/08 7:35p.m.

I love the feminine movement... -- East Beast -- 6/30/08 7:40p.m.

That picture has been painted for you by those who hate feminists -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 9:03a.m.

My irony meter explodes every time Limbaugh uses the term "feminazi." -- Russell -- 7/1/08 9:19a.m.

Here's a picture for you. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 1:09p.m.

A lot of what I read here is from hairy legged granola crunching man hating -- norm BlackWatch cat/Hartley 16 -- 7/1/08 3:10p.m.

That's a relief, Norm! -- Steve Haines, catboats, Goose Bayou, FL -- 7/1/08 3:58p.m.

have you ever heard of "Google"? -- Jay -- 6/30/08 7:37p.m.

"liberals don't have talk show attack dogs to create new meanings" -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 6/30/08 7:45p.m.

It's just that nobody listens to them. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 5:30a.m.

Liberals are smarter than that -- Jeff, Reinell 2200 -- 7/1/08 5:33a.m.

Exactly..Johnny, tell him what he's won.... -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:08p.m.

oh, you screwed up..My wife is pissed at you, now! -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 6/30/08 8:34p.m.

-- Rik, PSC Flicka, M- 15 - Minnesota -- 7/1/08 6:54a.m.

Then you are not the woman I was talking about -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 9:13a.m.

Yeah, whatever. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/1/08 9:31a.m.

brilliant -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/1/08 10:27a.m.

The fringe are just radicals... -- jay/kim (spindrift 22)Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:01p.m.

OH, and I forgot... -- JAY/Kim (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:25p.m.

It's too bad the Republican party is not so supportive of environmental issues. -- Noemi - Ensenada 20 -- 7/2/08 9:43a.m.

BULLCRAP!!! -- JAY (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:20p.m.

OH REALY?? So Bill Clinton Never said... -- Jay -- 6/30/08 6:36p.m.

is America so bad... -- Jay -- 6/30/08 6:28p.m.

I consider my self a liberal and this is what I did today -- Phil -- 7/5/08 5:06p.m.

 

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