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With all respect Jay....

Posted By: Francois
Date: 7/4/08 10:19a.m.

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In Response To: Your "concept of universality" has been tried... (pic) (JAY(spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS)

your Soviet Union analogy is off I think. You're taking a small point and taking it to an absolute EXTREME. I could do the same with capitalism but that would be futile.
Many countries use the concept of universality in delivering the services it decides, democratically, to provide for it's citizens, ALL it's citizens.
In the US, garbage collection follows this concept...each house gets two cans picked for free each week, doesn't it??? It does not matter how rich or poor you are the service is provided to all on the same level. If the service gets to be too expensive, a politician might run on a platform of cutting back the service and when elected BY THE PEOPLE he may very well cut the service back some. The people have decided. What's wrong with that.
Universality does two things: It eliminates the need for an expensive bureaucracy dedicated to policing who qualifies for this or that and it eliminates the argument (that I read on this board ad nauseam) that hard working people are paying for lazy people.
I'm not sure that the connection you try to make between unemployment and universality is valid. All I know is that there are a whole bunch of countries that, to varying degrees, run their social programs like that. But in those countries the population is not afraid of a little "grey"...I fully understand that to you EVERYTHING is stricly black and white and there can't be ANYTHING in between so I'm not trying to convince you to switch...just trying to inform you on how some other countries operate.
Just because people in other countries do some things differently is no a "threat" Jay...don't have to get upset, especially since your staying home anyway

Cruising Northern Vancouver Island

Messages In This Thread

How do we define rich and poor? -- JAY/Kim (spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/1/08 7:36p.m.

Those are fairly common English words. Do you need a dictionary? -- Russell -- 7/1/08 7:56p.m.

NO. I want to know a dollar figure. I know the definition. -- JAY(spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/3/08 5:27p.m.

I don't answer stupid questions. That's like asking how tall is tall.... -- Russell -- 7/3/08 5:47p.m.

How about this -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/3/08 6:26p.m.

Poverty by itself doesn't get that. -- Russell -- 7/3/08 7:37p.m.

Whether or not they get a free ride on their taxes is based on their income. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/3/08 8:28p.m.

wow, that is the most nieve statement I have ever read! -- JAY(spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/4/08 4:48a.m.

"Winning life's lottery." ROFL. You don't hear much about ol' Gephart lately -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 7/4/08 8:39a.m.

Universality..... -- Francois -- 7/3/08 11:35p.m.

Your "concept of universality" has been tried... -- JAY(spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/4/08 3:54a.m.

With all respect Jay.... -- Francois -- 7/4/08 10:19a.m.

Geeez Francois, even your knowledge of U.S. garbage collection is pure trash! In -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/4/08 11:17a.m.

thanks for making my point... -- Francois -- 7/4/08 3:55p.m.

oh and BTW...about the links you posted... -- Francois -- 7/4/08 11:16a.m.

Germany's unemployment rate is still 40% higher than the U.S. rate, but it does -- Robb, Great Dane 28, Yankee Dolphin, Lake Superior -- 7/4/08 11:32a.m.

still don't see the link though Robb... -- Francois -- 7/4/08 4:16p.m.

Does Canada count like the US? Or like the EU? Or a 3rd way? -- Russell -- 7/4/08 4:28p.m.

Prob'ly that third thing...just to be different -- Francois -- 7/4/08 8:19p.m.

I wouldn't assume that. And numbers counted differently aren't comparable. -- Russell -- 7/5/08 6:10a.m.

Yep, another person aviods the question!! -- JAY(spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/4/08 4:19a.m.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#The_official_measure_o -- dave -- 7/3/08 8:59p.m.

So the line is $21,200 fro a family of four? Over that is "rich"? -- JAY(spindrift 22) Hattiesburg, MS -- 7/4/08 3:58a.m.

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