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Re: Turtling P-185- everyone should email this fellow

Posted By: Tim Marks-Seaward Fox-Mystic, CT
Date: 2/25/05 7:01a.m.

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In Response To: Re: Turtling P-185 (Rob Myran P-21 #144, Windance, Viroqua, WI)

Everybody should email him. Maybe if he gets enough informed comments, he will wise up and back off from his ill-advised campaign against Precision.

My letter: "I have taught sailing for years, sailed competitively in dinghies on the college circuit, and cruised thousands of miles in small keel boats.

The first thing I always taught my students was how to upright their boat WHEN it flipped. It is expected that a centerboard boat will go over on occasion, especially when sailed in strong winds.

I find it surprising that you didn't expect a boat with a weighted centerboard to be unstable when sailing with the centerboard raised, especially in 10-12 knots of wind (you said no white caps). In my judgement, your actions directly contributed to the capsizing. It is reprehensible to blame this on a "design flaw" when any even slightly proficienct sailor would expect an event such as you described under those circumstances."

Of interest, quotes from his website:

"If and when a boat does get suddenly overpowered by an unexpected blast, it should automatically turn itself into the wind so it will straighten up even if the skipper is asleep at the tiller." The funny thing about this is that in his capsizing, he said he was sailing on a broad reach. Most boats do not tend to "round up" when on a broad reach, they tend to capsize if hit by a strong enough gust.

Broad reach+ high winds+ centerboard raised+inexperienced skipper=capsize=vendetta against boat manufacturer?

"The cutout on the transom, which makes for easy access from the water, is a negative once the vessel has turtled, because a safety air pocket fails to form."

Anybody here ever chose to use the "safety air pocket"? That concept gives me the heeby-jebbies(sp)... if a boat goes over I am either climbing over the side as it rolls, or jumping away to avoid entanglement in the lines.

My other hobby is woodworking, where the jokes start with "10 fingers in, 10 fingers out, must have been a good day". Nobody talks about attacking manufactuerers because their "unsafely designed" router took a big chunk out of their hand. Geez, have some personal responsibility already.

Messages In This Thread

Turtling P-185 -- Brad Benner, P-18 "Solstice", PA -- 2/24/05 5:21p.m.
Re: Turtling P-185 -- Brad Benner, P-18 "Solstice", PA -- 2/24/05 5:23p.m.
Oh, good grief... I HAVE to comment... -- Tom Scott, P-18 -- 2/24/05 7:45p.m.
Tom, it is good to see you back on the board! -- Dave Edwards, Michigan, P165 -- 2/25/05 5:13a.m.
Well Dave, I'm not really back... -- Tom Scott, P-18 -- 2/25/05 7:56p.m.
Tom, its nice to know you are..... -- Barnacle, P23 #414 "Kari Lee" -- 2/26/05 7:14a.m.
Just had my first really close look at your doormat -- Mark Folse, P-18 Tchopitoulas -- 3/1/05 9:16a.m.
-- Tom Scott, P-18 -- 3/1/05 3:10p.m.
Self Bailing Cockpit -- Glenn -- 3/8/05 3:01p.m.
Re: Oh, good grief... I HAVE to comment... -- Kevin, P-18, NJ -- 2/25/05 6:53a.m.
Geeeesssss O Pete...Hi Tom!!! -- Jack, P-165 "Sojourner" -- 2/25/05 9:30a.m.
Kevin... -- Tom Scott, P-18 -- 2/25/05 3:44p.m.
Re: Kevin... -- Kevin, P-18, NJ -- 2/27/05 4:39p.m.
P 185 Centerboard Controls -- Tom Ray -- 2/26/05 5:03a.m.
Schack! -- Mike Jones, P-21, "Tschuss!" -- 2/26/05 7:28a.m.
Re: Turtling P-185 -- Ed Ramsey, S2 6.8, AMF Apollo, Cortez 16, etc. -- 2/25/05 9:43a.m.
Re: Turtling P-185 -- Lugrig -- 2/25/05 3:04p.m.
Re: Turtling P-185 -- Tim Canary, P-21, NJ -- 2/24/05 5:52p.m.
Doesn't sound like he knows how to sail -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 2/24/05 5:56p.m.
I agree Brian, that boat is a mess -- Russ McBean, P-23 #231 "Kittiwake" -- 2/24/05 7:34p.m.
Re: Turtling P-185 -- Rob Myran P-21 #144, Windance, Viroqua, WI -- 2/24/05 5:57p.m.
 Re: Turtling P-185- everyone should email this fellow  -- Tim Marks-Seaward Fox-Mystic, CT -- 2/25/05 7:01a.m.
P-185 Turtling -- My-Precision-185.Com -- 2/25/05 12:02p.m.
Whoever thought Ralph Nader was a pain in the ass was mistaken. -- Brian, Precision 23, Lake Lanier, GA -- 2/25/05 12:31p.m.
Re: P-185 Turtling -- Kevin, P-18, NJ -- 2/25/05 12:55p.m.
Oh my word, rather than reading ... -- Jack, P-165 "Sojourner" -- 2/25/05 5:23p.m.
I re-read his post, and have another cause... -- Jack, P-165 "Sojourner" -- 2/25/05 5:46p.m.
Re: I re-read his post, and have another cause... -- Dave Edwards, Michigan, P165 -- 2/25/05 7:22p.m.
Re: P-185 Turtling -- Tom Scott, P-18 -- 2/25/05 7:18p.m.
Re: Turtling P-185- everyone should email this fellow -- Jim -- 2/26/05 11:30a.m.
Not GOLF... -- Jack, P-165 "Sojourner" -- 2/26/05 11:54a.m.
I'm opposed to licensing of any type, but give that guy a ticket!! -- geneWj First Born & Teacher's Pet III, Bradenton Fl. -- 2/25/05 4:11p.m.

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